Juz Jaslin: August 2008

Recently some of the Ex-HR members (we were all expelled from HR on Sunday 17th August 08) left HR with all the raid items, funds, orbs etc. And from my point of view.. They are trying to find a SCAPEGOAT to cover all their wrongdoings.

These was extract from GE forum - Hellraiders started off by TaToO (Granaldo).. just to put in record in my blog... in case that lame thread was deleted.

16-08-2008, 03:32 PM
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Since my HR forum account was suspended by the admin, i feel that i shud let all HR members, perhaps SGE to noe this:

1st of all, i would like to say sorry to Moja, things didnt turn out as peacefully as he wished. The group of people, namely, Dreamfield, granaldo, heuge, happytogether, sultantw, cyctoo, vivoko had voiced out unanimously that, we cant be under the same umbrella anymore(quote cyctoo).

We(the abovementioned names and more) had decided that rather than staying in HR and be unhappy, we will leave and create a new faction. We will prove our worth once again in the future and show you that we were the pillars of HR. Last sunday's cw already proved that even with only 30 members online(including afk), we managed to achieve 55%mhp.

All raid requirements, loot distributions are being set, after long discussion and feedbacks from members and ex-raidleaders. Just picture this, You are the one doing the dps, You are the one that ate the triumph fillers&hrin(ask yourself, how many of you consume premiums when raiding), You are also the person that spent the gpts,time,farming,raiding, etc, to get ur good weapons/armors, You are the person that camped for the timing of the boss. Do you think you are willing to give the rest of the factionmate equal share of raid loots? Maybe, but after seeing "last-min" arrival, laying dead on the floor(not souling up), not camping(even after camper loot bonus). We have decided to end this once and for all.

We are not escaping or running away from the problems. If there are any accountability issues, ask yourself. Compare it to previous raids like Vergo(juzangel), GOF(moja), and compare to wat u see now. Which is better. We believed that seeing all the loots that we had gotten ever since Dreamfield was entasked the position of the Raid Leader, we had been steadily getting most raid success. If you have any doubts or questions, i shan't comment.

I had been informed that SQTeam approached IsageComm, she wanted to bring her group of ppl to SexyBunnies and give them the secret to the success of GOL. How true? We might never noe, but if it's true. Are the group of ppl going to admit? GOL was a very long and tedious journey, the pioneers gave all their lightning orbs to moja, which finally led to a complete route to Einwind. Newer raiders came in and complained about the system and loot distribution, well 1st of all i wanna say **** you. Do you know that if we are selfish, we can jolly well leave you out of the entire raids and keep it to ourselves. We were the one that spend hours and hours, tens or hundreds of soul crystal just to reach lvl 3. What have you done? What rights you have to speak or question in the 1st place. But dreamfield and moja handled the situation the gentleman style and bowed their head and listen to ur feedbacks. Ever heard of give 1 inch, ask for 1 foot? [Please do some self-reflection]

You might wanna say, "HR made use of me to complete raid, then now say i useless", sorry, i believe the raids could easily be done even w/o you in the 1st place. Think about it.

Furthermore, we also got the information from Legends that, they were too, approached by HR members to join their faction, bringing the secrets of GOL success along with them, hoping to secure a position. We are not going to do anything about it. Carry on and bring it to them, coz we already came up with a counter-measure. We will be keeping GOL loot, funds, orbs
Reason being, we were the one that made the loots came about in the 1st place(if u have doubts, we don mind give u 1 orb and u try and kill einwind and show us), 2ndly, we were the ones that foreseen J10 shortages, ironically, we were also the ones that got the j10 and orbs(for past orbs, they went to trials(moja)), and after getting all the information from various factions of possible GOL secrets leaking, we decided that, we shall return the favor.

For smaller raids like ST, KOG. Ask urself, are you leeching most of the time? i would like to quote Dreamfield this time, "YOU THINK I IDIOT AH?" which i agree with him totally, we build up the raid from scratch and made firearmers the raid leader, but he did the unthinkable of breaking his own rules. So the leadership went to happytogether, she did a fantastic job of maintaining the raid. But all the ppl are taking it for granted, knowing that anytime, SB, Raidtubbies or any other faction might come in and kill all of u. Yet, you guys whined about the DPS bonus of 2 chips. So you wan dps come and help u kill and get same share? If you are the dps, will you come? We already supported u guys for 2mth + - at ST, where did your vis go?

For KOG, pyxiss ever hinted me subtly that i was being selfish by soloing it all the time. I accepted the fact, and made it a faction raid. I gave timing to ppl before i sleep or afk. I shared the loot whenever they came and "help" to kill. Then i start to realise that, [dreamfield quote] YOU THINK I IDIOT AH? i camp 4 hrs for 1 kog, YOU come down and sqd, I DEAL the dps, and i still have to share with you. Put urself in my shoe, period. 1 more point is that, when the raid system came about for KOG, i still got ppl pming me for timing in the normal playtime, i remembered i told him 2hrs, but the response i got back was, "o.. ok, 2 hrs later i come find u" So again, im the idiot? during the 2 hrs u can do wat you wan, and im the watchdog? [Self-reflect pls]

the following points are wat we had found out and even moja was made aware of, we didnt wanted to bring it up. But we had no choice since everything had turned sour.

1.) During JuzAngel's reign of Colony War i/c, several sqds had not received their salary for a period of approx 4-6 weeks, when questioned, we get a response of "NO SS, NO PAY", ok fine. We don really need the 20m incase you don't know. But after spending some thoughts about, so where did the vis go? my sqd(Squad A) have about 10 person x 20m ea = 200m per cw, spanning let's say 4 weeks, 800m? Where's the accountability and transparency that you had always questioned us? We had kept our silence for very long and yet we are being questioned about vergo items like e84 clayshooter, lvl92 dragoncoat etc.

2.) When i was being assigned as vergo raid leader, df asked me to takeover all the vergo funds, raid loots, etc. JuzAngel gave me 1b. I took a SS as told to do so. After Dreamfield and i went to forum and check, we saw the "Great Vergo Sale" b4 the handing over had a total of 1.8b, several unsold e100 (shield,maingauche,cannon, etc) and 6 silver hammers. Question: Why did you not handover everything when i took over? If we had not checked and demanded for the items, issit going to go missing like our CW salary?

3.) War of factions, there were members complaining about not getting their ABS. Next, we never had 100/100 faction, we were always in the 90s range, so where did the remaining ABS went to?

4.) We had the informant, or i would say friend, that told us that HR FORUM SPY's identity was made known to someone, way before we had to do the forum lock-down and reverification of the entire forum. Moja, vivoko, df and several others had saw the evidence, i shant say much on that.

Lastly, to wrap it up, i will probably come back a few more times to see your replies and give u answers, and whoever is the idiot that said im sucking up to dreamfield, for your knowledge, i was the one that initiated alot of decision making. Moja, cyctoo, vivoko and many council members knew all along wat was going on, the ex raid leaders had been keeping their mouth shut and not blowing things up. Now, our tails are being trampled on, and if we don react, i will say that I AM AN IDIOT. Be it that you wanna flame me on this post, or think that we are assholes or wateva. Things wouldnt turn out this way if you all had just know your role and shut the **** up. Now we are going to show u all, what we are made of.

Granaldo.
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if this is their business go and settle in private and shaft it up their XXX and i guarantee no1 in this world will care let alone in GE community, post in General Discussion n wasting bandwidth here for wat purpose.

"DO NOT SPILL UR DIRTY LAUNDRY IN THE PUBLIC"

THIS IS 1 OF THE MOST CHILDISH POSTS IN THIS FORUM KNNCCB
i hope the moderators do something about his post, and if this is the most childish post in this forum, then u must be the youngest guy to come and read about it, furthermore posted an even more childish reply.
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i tried to save her face, by not mentioning it during our outing. She brought SS of our raid and trying to pin us down. 2ndly, I posted the exact same post in HR forums, but she suspended my account. What other options i have to let the truth be known to the rest of HR members
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Hi Jerry,

Regarding the forum suspension, i believe it was a drastic move to stop HR members from seeing the truth. I believe every HR member had the right to noe the truth, and wat is going in behind the scene.

And about SQTeam's issue, i said that we might never noe the truth and actually she completed GOL with us at least 2 times, FYI.

Actually when i said "we" i meant, Dreamfield, heuge, granaldo, arielite, sultantw, luxory, happytogether, odaayumi, vivoko, viv, cyctoo, pyxiss, babylooneytunes. Less godsprayer because im not v close to him. And i believe in every GOL when he was there, there's always a "Ress me pls" by him.

The reason of this post is not to shame HR, me and dreamfield was hesistant about posting it even in HR forum. But we had support by vivoko and other high councils that, all hr members deserve the right noe the truth!

And yes, we can still be friends out of GE, can trust me on that.

Granaldo
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prophecyX = IXl rite?

regarding ur views saying that i'm a medium for wat spy or something: As i said, we speak as a whole and i duwanna keep typing all the IGNs, pls refer to 1st post.

And saying things like GOL, all i wan to say is that: I believe every1 had been complaining about you not souling after dying. You had ur excuses and we bought it. You changed to DPS instead of tanking, we allowed u. You wanted a swap of choice of ELN, we allowed you. But the 1s that are always complaining is also always you.

As for the source of my information, i have to respect my informant's decision to stay anonymous. I will try to convince him to step out and produce the evidence for all my assumptions.

And to Mikau's post, if you are so upset and affected by this thread, why don't you go play hide-and-yourself instead of posting replies here?

Incase you don't know, SGE is an asian server, if you are an asian, i'm sad to have a fellow asian like you. If you are not then i think it's better for you to see who's ground you are stepping on before spitting.

For valkrin: Hi, like what i said, my informant is unwilling to step up and take the responsibility as of now. Once he agrees, i think there will be nothing much for me to say anymore. And you said:
"And you guys aren't the only ones who hate to see this scenario. But since GOL fund, loot, orbs with you, we can't say anything either. Its already with you, since you have decided this is a valid countermeasure against "those who were hoping to secure a position in Legends". *shrugs* Not that we so eng to find you and ask for them back.
Since you guys feel its justified, so be it. I've nothing more to say."

Me, dreamfield and vivoko already came to a common decision that, if she wans her EPJ share from griffon, She have to answer for SQD A CW salary, vergo raid funds, and ABS and Spy issue. If she can answer our queries and doubts. We will do like-wise. And are you trying to side her? It had been always the few of you trying to drag out past incidents, and questioning us. But when we asked for answers, it gets lost in the midst of many wierd posts by ppl like Mikau.

So can you please get JuzAngel to step out and answer?
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tatoo wht are you saying that your hr forum account suspended by juzangel but have you proof that she is a admin if im correct admin can locked your account if im right and she is not a admin -_-

and you said that you didnt get an allowance if im correct, i think there a rule in hr that you must have ss before you get your allowance if im right
yes, my point was, all these wouldn't have not been posted in IAH forum if HR forum was still kept up, so now we have brought all these to IAH forum.

and for the allowance, yes, there was the rule that if there wasnt a ss, then we wun have pay, i agree, but where did the vis go? if we don take SS then all the vis will go to her?

and IXl, it's has always been the case that, you had not been souling, u can ask all gol raiders, and be aware that, im not pin pointing you, godsprayer is also similar and our new faction wun include him.

And the point about priority of ressing ppl than to save urself: Have you ever heard of the saying, If you cant even save yourself, how to save others.
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And I suppose you're jumping for joy now, eh spy? Ah whatever.

P.S: And Mikau, is this a pilot's post I'm reading? You weren't like this in sGE forums in the past.

And to ah ma: Am I siding with her? I'm hearing both sides, not just hers if not why else I bother to pm DF and talk after he left? Anyway, since HR has disbanded, case closed on my side. Whatever things you wanna shoot, there's pm, or sGe forum, or my blog.

Good luck to your new fac. I might get hula hoop too.
valkrin, we are not trying to find fault with her nor trying to shoot her down. Please bear in mind that, all top council members/deputies including moja was made known of all the CW salary issues, Vergo raid funds, lost ABS and more.

If she is innocent, we welcome her explaination and apologize to her publicly and even compensate her in anyway we can.
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MY REPLY TO ALL HIS NONSENSE

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valkrin, we are not trying to find fault with her nor trying to shoot her down. Please bear in mind that, all top council members/deputies including moja was made known of all the CW salary issues, Vergo raid funds, lost ABS and more.

If she is innocent, we welcome her explaination and apologize to her publicly and even compensate her in anyway we can.
Gran, 1st of all, i dun think i owe u an explanation. Before you make any consumption, you should ask DreamFieLD who are also a deputy and admin for HR before. Only Admin can suspend members' forum account. And me & DreamFieLD stepped down as Deputies as well as admin forum a week ago. Did u check tat who is d actual person tat has access (like vivoko and boss) before putting d blame on me?

To clear your doubts after flaming me in GE forum juz to demand an answer or explanation from me to "proof" tat i'm "innocent" and "getting" vivoko to Scold me in faction chat this morning to demand for d balance payment:

if u remember correctly, i told u all d vergo funds & cw funds were mixed together during the time when i was put in charged. i handed over the vergo vaults to u wif 1b vis and leave 700m+ as funds for future events etc for recruitment department (tat was agreed by moja). d total of 1700m+ includes d cw salary which your team did not collect due to no ss of attendance in forum (standard procedures). And i remember requesting ur team leader to post ss so that i can release payment to ur team but tat was not followed up. Funds of 1.4b+ was passed to d cw leader wif 100 over high level valkyries. For your info, All d above was properly recorded in HR forum if u did not notice.

And for d ABS fr d WOF, i gave out all d ABS (5nos per members (1 no. = 10 searches), i gave out to 30members) tat moja gave me for distribution. The balanced was wif moja. Did u check wif the respective ppl before framing me? i have all d records on who i gave to if u think there's a need to "proof" my stand (which i think u might say u dun need me to proof cos all d ss i took had made u feel "uncomfortable")

Any tasks entrusted to me i try to fulfill it to 100% if i can. The ss and documents that i kept are for my record purposes (i did tat since d day i was d admin for forum) and i think u got no rights to comment on how i do my administration for HR. Who will believe wat u said when there r no supporting evidence? Can i juz say u owe me 10b now without any ss and u will give tat 10b to me??? i'm not trying to "pin" u or d other raid leaders down. If all items were clearly summarized n accountable for, other HR members or myself dun hv to request for a clarification.

And for your info, d 700m+ was handed over to Moja which i think the best person to pass to since he was d boss.

I hope d above clear your doubts. it was nice knowing everyone in HR and d SG members that had become friends outside gaming. My heartfelt thanks to those namely Guailan, Valkrin, Kusabireika (juz to name a few) who help clarified issues here on my behalf.
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17-08-2008, 02:44 PM
TaToO
i will talk to moja, cyctoo, dreamfield and give u the proper "evidence" that u are demanding for.
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REPLY from BOSS

17-08-2008, 10:35 PM
Zm0jaZz

W00t. Time for me to add it in a few words.

ABS - ALL ABS were give to all WOF2 winners as well as the members of faction. Those i did not give (Because i have to go to SHANGHAI), i entrust JUZANGEL to pass it to them.

There is NO REMAINING ABS.

Faction funds. ALL Factions funds were GIVEN to the respective CW leader, Raid leader, etc. I only handled the MM Tax which i have passed to CW leader. (Note, as the past few weeks, i was not around, that's why the delay) but it was passed to the CW leader.

I only received the remaining vergo fund YESTERDAY after our decision to disband the faction.

Which is also why the faction forum has everyone's account suspended in the wee hours. (By me) Which i have clarified in the con call.

Anyway, It has been a glorious time playing with you guys. What ever differences you guys have, hope you guys have the presence of mind, that this is eventually a game.

Take Care! And Good Luck for all your future endeavors!
And Call me for Prata & Teh Terik
ZmojaZz
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18-08-2008, 04:14 PM
Zm0jaZz

Rouqe,

You are absolutely right, there is no way i can avoid any accountability in this issue. If there is anyway i can compensate you, do let me know, i believe you are one of the few who deserve it.

Note: I have gotten hold of some remaining CW funds, and raids funds, which the remaining councils in HR will be deciding on how to re-distribute to deserving ex-members.

700m from ex-vergo funds
500m from EPJ sale of Griffon raid
some CW funds yet to be confirm (Around 2~3b)

Any raid item that i have in my procession, it be posting it shorting in HR forum, all ex-hr members will soon have their access back to bid for the items and claim their vis.

Cheers,
ZmojaZz
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AFTER Boss's post, HEUGE (Jansen) & ARIELITE (Stephanie) did some "clarification" and SPINELLI also ADD ON to the flame

20-08-2008, 07:08 AM
Winston77
so many long posts...

i dun go raids often, i dunno wat sparked the quarrel, i dun even know why we got to have "representative" to raise problems..ppl helping another person to voice out

If ABC fired XYZ, than let XYZ go settle with ABC or ABC's boss (FL), dun make it more complex by have a 123 go find ABC asking why ABC fired XYZ.

I asked the "prosecution" party, to what length are you willing to go to purse ur justice and fairness?

Yes, you may aruge ur right (i dunno, maybe its true) and have loads of SS to prove ur claim and argue ur way to Court or watever. Maybe the other party is wrong or corrupt..(MAYBE only) but when u are Pursing your course of "Justice and Fairness"

Have it occured to you how much colateral damage you have inflicted.
Neutral parties not involved in ur fight for "justice and fairness", lost their "homes" and unity.

Sometimes when 2 parties fight, its the civilians (i shld call them tat) tat have to suffer as the 2 vices thrash for who's right.

Now the dust is settled, as the 2 parties withdrew to their own course and future.

sometimes, to achieve "Fairness", you have to dig so deep tat it "kills" the person u are trying to save.
(maybe tats why some doctors leave the bullet inside the person's brain cos sometimes taking the bullet out will cost his life).

I have my own "stories" of un-claimed Raid loots and un-used raid points.
back from vergo times..blah blah blah.
its not a lot, but I suppose its never worth breaking up for.

Sometimes its not about "whos side you are on" but ask yourself.. whichever side i take...is the "road to victory" the best for the faction. or is this just "your battle to prove ur not lying" only
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While waiting for that someone who started all this to clarify.. this is what i wrote in reply to Spinelli

Yes i agreed wif u at certain point when 2 DLs are on different stands, wars between them will caused d other ppl to suffer especially d innocent members. In d first place who should be d one tat "keep quiet" about the issues is not up to u to decide. U can be d mediator if u know d situation or d core of the problems and u hv to be neutral not to take either sides when helping to settle it.

This whole thing is like our HOME issues, when someone (or someone's spokesman) wants to make it "BIG" did he in d first place think of d consequences??? & did he get the fact right before making me as a scapegoat for the all tat happened? Maybe i'm wrong, or maybe i misinterpreted when someone mentioned "HR will not be in this state if u were to keep quiet about the incidents".

Honestly speaking, if ppl who feels tat i alone with a few ss can bring down d whole faction, maybe u should check if your brain is wif u. (sorry for being harsh..)

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i will talk to moja, cyctoo, dreamfield and give u the proper "evidence" that u are demanding for.
I did not "DEMAND" for any evidence. The balanced faction funds i was holding, which was agreed to be held by me in d first place, need not pass to u. It was given by d FL and if i were to leave fac i will pass it to d FL. The cw funds with the balanced valkyries was passed to cyctoo when he was appointed as d cw leader. AND IF I did not keep all these information or ss, just by telling u i handed to him, will u BELIEVE????? (i dun think u believe, if u do, u need not "talk" or check wif them). Can someone enlightened me wat's wrong wif taking ss? especially in situation like this, if i dun take ss at all, i will be "pinned" "nailed" "smashed" "crushed" by u.

When i was QUESTIONED y I SUSPENDED all d forum accounts, i almost rolled off my chair laughing at ur accusation. I'm not the forum admin for a week, i'm juz a council member like YOU. u just ASSUMED that i'm d forum admin and started flaming me here.... put it this way... u just want to find a scapegoat for your wrongdoings and mislead everyone in d server... PLEASE FIND SOMEONE ELSE or use a DUMMY ACCOUNT. And STOP "threatening" d Fac Leaders "if u were to recruit JuzAngel to your faction, your faction will be attacked by our new faction".